What makes a race not spawn...

[Sandtrooper]

Trek Mod problem:

The Terrans do not spawn ANY bot, even thou they can spawn up to 16.

What triggers this: Every time I add a new planet (right now the count including stars is 69), the Terrans do not spawn after the addition. I omit the new planet from loading, the Terrans spawn.

Is there something that prevents a race that owns 14 planets to not spawn if the entire scenario has 70 or more planetary objects?

[NiteHawk]

Can you set the -log feature (C:\pathtosf\file.exe -log) on the client and run the mod? Then check the log file (frontier.log should be) with both 69 and 70 planets, see if there different 'at all'. If they are, I can find out where it stopped that way, makes it more simple to debug, sort of speak.

I don't think theres anything to set, could be a maxplanet issue. I know theres a few variables in the source that state about a maxplanet, but it adjusts when the game loads. So might be something else.

[Sandtrooper]

Heres the logs, but it doesn't really show much about why the Terrans don't spawn any bots when 70 planets are present...

Code:

GameStateClass profile for  on frame 0
number of ships           =   125
number of planets         =   69
number of missiles        =   0
number of colonies        =   42
number of ship designs    =   139(256)
number of missile designs =   150(512)
number of modules         =   835(2048)
number of loaded modules  =   0
number of robot ships in:
   planet pool            = 50
   population pool        = 50
one robot is accumulated per
   1 planets
   2% of total population

(# of ships, 100 bots, 25 human players).
(Theres the maxes for modules, ship designs & missiles, it seems a bit restricting to me)

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[Sandtrooper]

70 planets version of the log:

Oh and I looked at the mod's own log, didn't say anything about Terran past the "Ship design available at frame 0" lines when 70 planets present.

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[NiteHawk]

Alright one more thing, it says 100 robots spawned normally then?

Can you try setting it to lets say 50 spawned, see what happens there.

[Sandtrooper]

I set the bot count to 50, and added the 70th planet, Terrans cannot spawn still unless there planet count is below 70 planets.

The reason why I set the count to 100 was for all races to at least spawn the docks.

[NiteHawk]

I set the bot count to 50, and added the 70th planet, Terrans cannot spawn still unless there planet count is below 70 planets.

The reason why I set the count to 100 was for all races to at least spawn the docks.

Ah I see, pretty wierd. I did a quick scan on the coding, didn't find nothing in particular about limiting to about 70 planets, going to have to play with it very throughly sometime, just not yet.

Seems odd.

[Staker]

Hmm I need to help with this mod more often XD

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

What's the population count?

I've noticed in-game that when a race has a low population count comparatively, it has fewer ships.

Do you have low-pop planets?  OR a low population percentage compared to the total number of planets involved?

[Staker]

I believe there is a max on how many ships/race can there be... Planet wise/AI Wise... I remember someone had the same problem a couple years back...

[Sandtrooper]

When 125 players are set (100 max bots), Terrans can spawn 16 bots, but when I add another planet (raising count to 70), no Terran bot at all. I can't take a screenie in SF at the moment, what shows up in Photoshop is a monochrome picture of everything, nothing can be made out (NiteHawk better fix this, its part of bug "0000029").  Starting population % the Terrans have is 5%.

List of starting colonies:

Code:

colony data {
*      race        population    design                location   
*--------------------------------------------------------------
    Ferengi        4000000000     Major                Ferenginar 
    Klingon        3000000000     Major                Qo'noS
    Klingon         100000000     Minor                Praxis 
    Klingon         100000000   Outpost                Aster1
    Klingon         100000000   Outpost                Aster2
    Klingon         100000000   Outpost                Aster3
    Klingon         100000000   Outpost                Aster4   
     Terran        3000000000     Major                Earth   
     Terran         250000000     Minor                Luna
     Terran        1500000000     Major                Mars
     Terran         400000000     Minor                Phobos
     Terran         250000000     Minor                Deimos
     Terran        3000000000     Major                Venus
     Terran         500000000     Minor                Mercury
     Terran         750000000     Minor                Titan
     Terran         500000000     Minor                Rhea
     Terran        1000000000     Major                Ganymede
     Terran         750000000     Major                Callisto
     Terran         500000000     Minor                Io
     Terran         500000000     Minor                Europa
     Terran         350000000     Major                Triton       
    Ferengi        1200000000     Major                FerengiII   
    Romulan        8000000000     Major                Romulus 
    Romulan        2000000000     Major                RomIV 
      Reman         500000000     Minor                RomI 
      Reman        2500000000     Major                Remus 
   Dominion        3000000000     Major                CallinonVII   
   Dominion        2000000000     Major                CallinonVI   
   Dominion        1000000000     Major                CallinonV   
 Cardassian        5000000000     Major                Cardassia-Prime
 Cardassian         750000000     Minor                Gulletta
      Breen        8000000000     Major                Breen
      Breen        1000000000     Major                Asteroid
      Hydran       3750000000     Major                HydraIV
      Maquis        750000000     Major                HD-73526-B
      Lyran        6000000000     Major                Lyra
      Lyran         220000000     Major                LyraI
       Gorn        6000000000     Major                GhdarI
       Gorn        4000000000     Major                GhdarII
    Tholian       10000000000     Major                Tholia
       Borg        5000000000     Major                Unimatrix001
       Borg        4000000000     Major                BorgPlanet
}

If there is such a limit (note in Frontier.log, it doesn't show a limit to planets or bots), then I call bull on that, we can run that many things on computers now, but it sure ain't internet friendly, my mod.

[Sandtrooper]

Somehow this fixed itself...I added 40 Eridani A (Vulcan & its system), and the Terrans spawned fine for some reason, then I re-added the other planets.